i think it is possible that with this debate over -- especially with this debate over the debt ceiling that we're now expecting to come in august, that there will be some kind of grand bargain. we've seen over and over again how hard it's been to get to a deal. >> yeah. perry, i want to ask you about the kentucky senate race because there's been so much buzz around ashley judd potentially running there. now there's talk about kentucky secretary of state allison grimes and you're a louisville native, if i recall correctly. >> i am. >> i would love your read on what's going on here. could either one of these women beat mitch mcconnell? >> i have been talking to people down there from both parties. two dynamics going on. there was a lot of buzz about ashley judd in november, december, and even now, but a lot of the democrats in kentucky think she's too liberal for that state and they're pushing allison grimes who is secretary of state there. they view her as more electable. the other thing that's interesting is mitch mcconnell not beloved among all republicans there either. his approval r